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date: 2024-03-04
topic: Centarro and Drupal Commerce
guests:
    - Ryan Szrama
transistor:
    id: ab539bef
links:
    -
        - Centarro
        - https://www.centarro.io
    -
        - Ryan on Twitter
        - https://twitter.com/ryanszrama
    -
        - Ryan on Drupal Answers
        - https://drupal.stackexchange.com/users/866/ryan-szrama
talking_points:
    - eCommerce, Ubercart and Drupal Commerce.
    - How Commerce Guys started.
    - How Ryan started in the eCommerce space.
    - The origins of Drupal Commerce and Commerce Guys.
    - Commerce Kickstart.
quotes:
    - The best code isn't the most novel or most compact, it's the most easily readable and easily extendable (RS).
    - My only resource for learning PHP was php.net (RS)
    - I'm a self-taught Developer or community-taught, I suppose (OD).
    - Porting osCommerce into Drupal, which became Ubercart (RS).
    - Do we do this in Ubercart and Drupal 6 that we know works, or this new thing that was Drupal Commerce in Drupal 7 (OD).
    - It was built in Ubercart and was in production until quite recently, considering we're in 2024 (OD).
    - Once you get thoroughly entrenched in a platform, the cost to re-platform outweighs the cost of maintaining it in-house (RS).
    - If there's 10,000 of anybody, they're going to want to pay for support (RS).
    - How do we convince them to invest in an upgrade that doesn't see them jettison Drupal entirely? (RS)
    - One thing I like about Drupal Commerce is its flexibility. (OD)
    - It doesn't need to be a t-shirt or book shop. You can do some outside the box things with it. (OD)
    - Being a native extension of Drupal has a lot more advantages and pros than cons. (RS)
    - Ubercart was more "batteries included" and "this is what it does", whereas Drupal Commerce is more flexible and although it requires a bit more setup to begin with, you can plug it together the way you want to. (OD)
    - Our vision was to go the next step of getting off the Drupal island. (RS)
    - The Commerce Addressing library is now over 17,000,000 downloads. (OD)
    - Composer allowed us to separate our projects and separate our concerns. (RS)
    - Do you know when you should not use Views and when you decouple that component and use JavaScript and the REST API? (RS)
    - If we can reduce the number of times introduce those kinds of problems, that's how I would certify somebody. (RS)
chapters:
    - 00:00 Introduction and DrupalCon Lille.
    - 6:00 How did you get started in software development?
    - 17:36 Getting into eCommerce.
    - 19:14 The origins of Commerce Guys and Drupal Commerce.
    - 20:26 How Oliver started with eCommerce projects.
    - 22:68 Ubercart for Drupal 7?
    - 30:04 Commerce Kickstart.
    - 34:08 Commerce flexibility.
    - 35:52 More commerce Kickstart.
    - 38:62 Ubercart and Commerce differences.
    - 40:34 The Commerce Kickstart project template.
    - 42:50 Building Drupal Commerce 2.
    - 46:38 Releasing new things.
    - 51:58 Certified Centarro partners?
    - 57:38 Centarro roadmap.
    - 62:06 Wrapping up.
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This week, Oliver is joined by Ryan Szrama, CEO of Centarro, to discuss Drupal Commerce, Commerce Kickstart, Mario Kart and the dreaded `cache_form` table.