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date: 2024-01-10
topic: Testing Legacy
guests:
    - Mike Karthauser
transistor:
    id: c264ca69
links:
    -
        - Huboo
        - https://huboo.com
    -
        - PHPUnit
        - https://phpunit.de
    -
        - Laravel
        - https://laravel.com
    -
        - Expression Engine
        - https://expressionengine.com
    -
        - PHPBench
        - https://phpbench.com
    -
        - Working in small batches
        - http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2009/02/work-in-small-batches.html
    -
        - Cyclomatic complexity
        - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclomatic_complexity
    -
        - Shopify
        - https://www.shopify.com
    -
         - Drupal Commerce
         - https://drupalcommerce.org
    -
        - PHP South West
        - https://phpsw.uk
    -
        - Automica labs
        - https://automica.io
    -
        - Mike on LinkedIn
        - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikekarthauser
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Oliver and Mike discuss e-commerce, legacy code, technical debt, automated testing, test-driven development, refactoring, code vs. no-code solutions, and Mike's recent talk at PHP South West in Bristol.