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date: 2024-01-10
topic: Testing Legacy
guests:
  - Mike Karthauser
transistor:
  id: c264ca69
links:
  - - Huboo
    - https://huboo.com
  - - PHPUnit
    - https://phpunit.de
  - - Laravel
    - https://laravel.com
  - - Expression Engine
    - https://expressionengine.com
  - - PHPBench
    - https://phpbench.com
  - - Working in small batches
    - http://www.startuplessonslearned.com/2009/02/work-in-small-batches.html
  - - Cyclomatic complexity
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclomatic_complexity
  - - Shopify
    - https://www.shopify.com
  - - Drupal Commerce
     - https://drupalcommerce.org
  - - PHP South West
    - https://phpsw.uk
  - - Automica labs
    - https://automica.io
  - - Mike on LinkedIn
    - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikekarthauser
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Oliver and Mike discuss e-commerce, legacy code, technical debt, automated testing, test-driven development, refactoring, code vs. no-code solutions, and Mike's recent talk at PHP South West in Bristol.