diff --git a/source/podcasts.html.twig b/source/podcasts.html.twig
index 9c8fdd20..d1ff4cc2 100644
--- a/source/podcasts.html.twig
+++ b/source/podcasts.html.twig
@@ -2,6 +2,8 @@
 layout: default
 title: Podcasts
 podcasts:
+    howtocodewell:
+        name: How to Code Well
     talking_drupal:
         name: Talking Drupal
 episodes:
@@ -10,13 +12,29 @@ episodes:
       podcast: talking_drupal
       date: 2018-09-05
       url: http://talkingdrupal.com/175
+      audio: true
 
     - title: 'Episode #204 - A Few Things'
       description: I joined the Talking Drupal team again, where we discussed Drupal updates, conferences and more.
       podcast: talking_drupal
       date: 2019-03-25
       url: http://talkingdrupal.com/204
+      audio: true
+
+    - title: What's new in Drupal 8+
+      description: Talking about Drupal, open source, Drupal 7 vs Drupal 8, module development, testing and more.
+      podcast: howtocodewell
+      date: 2019-04-12
+      url: https://howtocodewell.fm/episode/15-whats-new-in-drupal-8-plus-oliver-davies-interview
+      audio: true
+      video: true
 ---
+{% macro episodeTitle(podcast, episode) -%}
+    {{ podcast.name }}: {{ episode.title }}
+{%- endmacro %}
+
+{% import _self as helpers %}
+
 <!-- <header class="mb-6">
     <p class="text-lg">
         I’m an occasional guest on podcasts such as Talking Drupal.
@@ -29,9 +47,13 @@ episodes:
 
         <article>
             <h2 class="text-lg">
-                <a href="{{ episode.url }}" class="text-inherit" tabindex="-1">
-                    {{ podcast.name }}: {{ episode.title }}
-                </a>
+                {% if episode.url %}
+                    <a href="{{ episode.url }}" class="text-inherit" tabindex="-1">
+                        {{ helpers.episodeTitle(podcast, episode) }}
+                    </a>
+                {% else %}
+                    {{ helpers.episodeTitle(podcast, episode) }}
+                {% endif %}
             </h2>
 
             <time class="text-sm text-gray-800 block mt-px mb-2" datetime="{{ episode.date|date('Y-m-d') }}">
@@ -40,11 +62,17 @@ episodes:
 
             <p>{{ episode.description }}</p>
 
-            <a href="{{ episode.url }}" class="inline-block mt-2 text-sm text-gray-600 hover:text-gray-800 focus:text-gray-800">
-                {{ episode.video ? 'Watch' : 'Listen to' }} this
-                <span class="visuallyhidden">{{ podcast.name }}</span>
-                episode &rarr;
-            </a>
+            {% if episode.url %}
+                <a href="{{ episode.url }}" class="inline-block mt-2 text-sm text-gray-600 hover:text-gray-800 focus:text-gray-800">
+                    {% if episode.video %}
+                        Watch {{ episode.video and episode.audio ? 'or listen to' }}
+                    {% elseif episode.audio %}
+                        Listen to
+                    {% endif %} this
+                    <span class="visuallyhidden">{{ podcast.name }}</span>
+                    episode &rarr;
+                </a>
+            {% endif %}
         </article>
     {% endfor %}
 </div>