diff --git a/source/_layouts/podcast_episode.html.twig b/source/_layouts/podcast_episode.html.twig
index 4a4a93d1..31f5e09a 100644
--- a/source/_layouts/podcast_episode.html.twig
+++ b/source/_layouts/podcast_episode.html.twig
@@ -30,6 +30,30 @@
 
   {{ parent() }}
 
+  {% if page.talking_points %}
+    <div>
+      <h2>Key points</h2>
+
+      <ul>
+        {% for point in page.talking_points %}
+          <li>{{ point }}</li>
+        {% endfor %}
+      </ul>
+    </div>
+  {% endif %}
+
+  {% if page.quotes %}
+    <div>
+      <h2>Quotes</h2>
+
+      <ul>
+        {% for quote in page.quotes %}
+          <li>{{ quote }}</li>
+        {% endfor %}
+      </ul>
+    </div>
+  {% endif %}
+
   <div>
     <h2>Links</h2>
 
@@ -41,14 +65,4 @@
       {% endfor %}
     <ul>
   </div>
-
-  {% if page.key_points %}
-    <h2>Key points</h2>
-
-    <ul>
-      {% for i in page.key_points %}
-        <li>{{ i }}</li>
-      {% endfor %}
-    </ul>
-  {% endif %}
 {% endblock %}
diff --git a/source/_podcast_episodes/11-mark-conroy.md b/source/_podcast_episodes/11-mark-conroy.md
index 4b220192..3b23c103 100644
--- a/source/_podcast_episodes/11-mark-conroy.md
+++ b/source/_podcast_episodes/11-mark-conroy.md
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ links:
     -
         - Web Component Design System
         - https://web-components-design-system.mark.ie
-key_points:
+talking_points:
     - Building better websites faster, including Drupal distributions, such as LocalGov.
     - What Drupal gives you out of the box and using the right tool for the job.
     - Drupal migrations and migrating Drupal configuration from a spreadsheet.
diff --git a/source/_podcast_episodes/12-nick-janetakis-docker.md b/source/_podcast_episodes/12-nick-janetakis-docker.md
index 93a3a3df..7e7a38bb 100644
--- a/source/_podcast_episodes/12-nick-janetakis-docker.md
+++ b/source/_podcast_episodes/12-nick-janetakis-docker.md
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ links:
     -
         - Nick's Docker example repositories on GitHub
         - https://github.com/nickjj?tab=repositories&q=-example
-key_points: []
+talking_points: []
 ---
 
 This week, Oliver is joined by Nick Janetakis - a Software Developer, Docker Captain and Teacher who focuses on building and deploying web apps - to discuss Docker, content creation and more.
diff --git a/source/_podcast_episodes/13-ryan-szrama-centarro.md b/source/_podcast_episodes/13-ryan-szrama-centarro.md
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..2dafa52a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/source/_podcast_episodes/13-ryan-szrama-centarro.md
@@ -0,0 +1,62 @@
+---
+date: 2024-03-04
+topic: Centarro and Drupal Commerce
+guests:
+    - Ryan Szrama
+transistor:
+    id: ab539bef
+links:
+    -
+        - Centarro
+        - https://www.centarro.io
+    -
+        - Ryan on Twitter
+        - https://twitter.com/ryanszrama
+    -
+        - Ryan on Drupal Answers
+        - https://drupal.stackexchange.com/users/866/ryan-szrama
+talking_points:
+    - eCommerce, Ubercart and Drupal Commerce.
+    - How Commerce Guys started.
+    - How Ryan started in the eCommerce space.
+    - The origins of Drupal Commerce and Commerce Guys.
+    - Commerce Kickstart.
+quotes:
+    - The best code isn't the most novel or most compact, it's the most easily readable and easily extendable (RS).
+    - My only resource for learning PHP was php.net (RS)
+    - I'm a self-taught Developer or community-taught, I suppose (OD).
+    - Porting osCommerce into Drupal, which became Ubercart (RS).
+    - Do we do this in Ubercart and Drupal 6 that we know works, or this new thing that was Drupal Commerce in Drupal 7 (OD).
+    - It was built in Ubercart and was in production until quite recently, considering we're in 2024 (OD).
+    - Once you get thoroughly entrenched in a platform, the cost to re-platform outweighs the cost of maintaining it in-house (RS).
+    - If there's 10,000 of anybody, they're going to want to pay for support (RS).
+    - How do we convince them to invest in an upgrade that doesn't see them jettison Drupal entirely? (RS)
+    - One thing I like about Drupal Commerce is its flexibility. (OD)
+    - It doesn't need to be a t-shirt or book shop. You can do some outside the box things with it. (OD)
+    - Being a native extension of Drupal has a lot more advantages and pros than cons. (RS)
+    - Ubercart was more "batteries included" and "this is what it does", whereas Drupal Commerce is more flexible and although it requires a bit more setup to begin with, you can plug it together the way you want to. (OD)
+    - Our vision was to go the next step of getting off the Drupal island. (RS)
+    - The Commerce Addressing library is now over 17,000,000 downloads. (OD)
+    - Composer allowed us to separate our projects and separate our concerns. (RS)
+    - Do you know when you should not use Views and when you decouple that component and use JavaScript and the REST API? (RS)
+    - If we can reduce the number of times introduce those kinds of problems, that's how I would certify somebody. (RS)
+chapters:
+    - 00:00 Introduction and DrupalCon Lille.
+    - 6:00 How did you get started in software development?
+    - 17:36 Getting into eCommerce.
+    - 19:14 The origins of Commerce Guys and Drupal Commerce.
+    - 20:26 How Oliver started with eCommerce projects.
+    - 22:68 Ubercart for Drupal 7?
+    - 30:04 Commerce Kickstart.
+    - 34:08 Commerce flexibility.
+    - 35:52 More commerce Kickstart.
+    - 38:62 Ubercart and Commerce differences.
+    - 40:34 The Commerce Kickstart project template.
+    - 42:50 Building Drupal Commerce 2.
+    - 46:38 Releasing new things.
+    - 51:58 Certified Centarro partners?
+    - 57:38 Centarro roadmap.
+    - 62:06 Wrapping up.
+---
+
+This week, Oliver is joined by Ryan Szrama, CEO of Centarro, to discuss Drupal Commerce, Commerce Kickstart, Mario Kart and the dreaded `cache_form` table.